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Tankless Water Heater - Part 6 - The Decision? tankless热水器-第6部分-决定?

May 24th, 2008 2008年5月24日 · 2 Comments 2评论

In在…内 Part 5第5部分 we revealed the two quotes received from two separate companies to install the same Rinnai natural gas tankless water heater.我们揭示了两个引号收到来自两个不同的公司安装,同时rinnai天然气tankless热水器。

I won’t repeat all of the details from the two offers here (use the link to Part 5 above to see the comparative details), but to me there was clearly one offer which was less price and had better warranty.我不会重复所有的细节,从二,提供在这里(使用链接来的一部分, 5段看到比较详情) ,但对我来说显然存在一个提供这是较少的价格和有较好的保证。

This is new technology to me, even though tankless water heaters are much more the norm in Western Europe and else where.这是新技术对我来说,即使tankless热水器更为规范,在西欧和其他的地方。 Hot water tanks are more of a North American phenomenon.热水箱,更是北美的现象。

The Canadian ecoENERGY Residential Retrofit program currently provides (Federal and Provincial grants combined) for a $500 grant (increased from $400 January 1, 2008) for a home owner participating in the program who installs a tankless water heater with an efficiency rating of 0.8 or higher (for which the Rinnai qualifies).加拿大ecoenergy住宅的改造计划目前规定(联邦和省补助相结合)为500美元的补助金(增加至400元, 2008年1月1日)为一个家业主参加在该计划中谁安装一个tankless热水器与效率的评级0.8或更高(其中rinnai资格) 。

Our decision: Neither.我们的决定:两者都不是。 Let me explain.让我解释一下。

The aforementioned grant is available for our household until May of 2009.上述补助金是供我们的家庭,直到5月到2009年。 Why?为什么? Well, as part of the ecoENERGY Residential Retrofit program you have to have two energy efficiency assessments (ie energy audits); the first ‘D’ energy audit performed by accredited firms before you undertake any renovations and the second ‘E’ energy audit conducted within 18 months to determine which recommendations from the ‘D’ energy audit report were actually undertaken and to what extent.那么,作为部分的ecoenergy住宅的改造计划,你必须有两个能源效率评估(即能源审计) ;第一' D '类能源审计演出由认可的公司之前,请先进行任何翻新和第二'电子'能源审计进行18个月内,以确定哪些建议从' D '类能源审计报告,实际上承诺和到什么程度。 [for more information on the ecoENERGY Residential Retrofit grant program, simply select the ecoENERGY Retrofit Grant link in our blog roll). [了解更多关于ecoenergy住宅改造补助金计划,只需选择ecoenergy改造给予链接在我们的博客辊) 。

We had the ‘D’ energy efficiency assessment conducted in November 2007, so that would make May 2009 (if my math is right) the 18th month thereafter.我们有' D '类的能源效率进行评估,于2007年11月,因此这将使2009年5月(如果我的数学是正确的)第18个月。 Make sense?不通?

So, we are in no rush to undertake energy efficiency renovations for which there are applicable government grants; unless the Canadian Federal abruptly changes the rules of the program retroactively.所以,我们在没有急于进行能源效率为翻修,其中有适用的政府补助金;除非加拿大联邦突然改变规则的程序溯及既往。 They wouldn’t do that, would they?他们不会做到这一点,他们会? :-)  Surely, I digress. :-)当然,我偏离。 On this one I’ll take that risk.就这一个,我会采取这种危险。

Now, our main concern are two fold.现在,我们的主要关切是2倍。 First, special venting is needed not just for the Rinnai model but any natural gas tankless water heater.第一,特别是宣泄不仅需要为rinnai模式,但任何天然气tankless热水器。 Both firms indicated that they could not install the Rinnai at the location of our current hot water tank, which is conveniently located in the center of all of the bathrooms, kitchen and laundry room areas of our home.两家公司表示,他们不能安装在rinnai的位置,我们目前的热水罐,这是设在交通方便的中心,所有的浴室,厨房及洗衣房等领域我们的家。

Proposed Tankless Rinnai Location

So, both said that it would need to be installed against the outside wall (see above picture) where the current natural gas enters our home, about 30-ish feet away.所以,无论是说,它将需要安装对外墙外(见上文图片)凡目前天然气进入我们的家,约30 -原位杂交英尺远。 Anything that needs such special venting causes me a concern, especially when we have our current hot water tank vented 30-ish feet away from an outside wall with no issues.凡是需要这种特殊宣泄的原因,我关注的,尤其是当我们有我们的电流热水箱排气30英尺远的ISH展览会上,从一外墙外没有问题。

Second, installing the Rinnai hot water tank 30 feet or so away from most of the sinks, bath tubs, showers and dish washer (and clothes washer, although we do most of our laundry using cold water) will result in a waste of a lot of water each time someone turns on the hot water tap.第二,安装rinnai热水罐30英尺或离,所以大部分的水槽,浴室浴缸,淋浴和洗碟(和衣服的洗衣机,虽然我们做我们大部分的洗衣房用冷水)将导致在浪费了很多水,每次有人轮流对热水龙头。 Thirty feet of water is a lot of water for each shower, bath, etc.三○英尺水是一个很大的水为每个淋浴,浴,等等。

While arguably not necessarily a non-renewable resource such as oil or natural gas or uranium, environmentally water remains a precious resource.虽然说不一定是不可再生资源,如石油或天然气或铀,环保的水仍然是一个宝贵的资源。 And, the more water we waste in our home the higher our water bill costs will increase.而且,更多的水浪费,我们在我们的家越高,我们的水条例草案的成本将会增加。

Yes, we missed out on the $400 or so difference in the offer from the lower priced firm.不错,我们错过了就400元,或使差异,在提供从低价坚定的。 They had a $500 sale on which has now ended (their original cost was $100 more than the first firm, hence only a $400 or so lower net price).他们有一个500元发售,现在已结束(其原始成本是100元,较第一坚定的,因此只有400元,因此,较低的净价格) 。 That’s OK.说的确定。 I’d rather take my time and focus more on this when I have the time (right now I am more focused on spring types of outside activities such as ‘renovating’ our front garden, replacing the current undersized gutters, exterior hidden screens for our front and rear door, as well as fixing our darn en suite shower leak.我宁愿把我的时间和更专注于这个,当我有时间, (我现在更集中于春季类型以外的活动,如'翻新'我们的前花园,取代目前的不足排水沟,隐藏的外部屏幕为我们的前方和后方的大门,以及订定我们的石坝套房淋浴泄漏。

The last thing I need is to install a new technology without sufficient research and have the family members complain that the hot water takes too long before they can start their shower.最后,我需要的是安装一个新的技术,没有足够的研究和有家庭成员抱怨说,热水的时间太长,才可以开始他们的淋浴。

We will come back to tankless water heaters in the fall.我们会回来tankless热水器将在今年秋季。 Who knows, we may just keep our current hot water tank.谁知道,我们可能只保持现行的热水箱。 Or, perhaps we will use a different technology altogether.或者,也许我们会使用不同的技术完全。 Or, perhaps we will go back to the Rinnai and just absorb the wasted water.或者,也许我们会回去向rinnai和公正的吸收,浪费水。 :-) Remember, I am after both reduction in the costs of ‘running’ our home as well as energy efficiency and environmental appropriateness combined.请记住,我后,都减少了成本, '运行'我们的家,以及能源效率和环境的适宜性结合起来。

To continue with the next article in this series, yes before the fall time :-), simply select this link to继续与下篇文章在这一系列,是前下降时间:-) ,只需选择此链接 Part 7第7部分 .

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  • 1 1 Jim Mcgoldrick // May 25, 2008 at 8:03 am 吉姆mcgoldrick / / 2008年5月25日在上午8时03分

    Rinnai can be inside and vented to outside however the cost would scare you as you are doing a retrofit. rinnai可内和外界的宣泄,但成本会吓唬你,你做了改造。 Wasted water can be recovered by several devices on the market that allow water to be hot on tap all the time, once again an extra cost.浪费水可以回收,由几个设备在市场上,让水热对自来水的所有时间,再次一额外的费用。 Yould fit a pomp to the outside rinnai and fit a return line to the existing hot pipework, this would stop the 39 metre dead leg you describe. yould适合轻车简从,向外界rinnai和合适的回报线现有的热管,这将停止39米死亡腿部您所描述的。 Again an extra cost but all your concerns be overcome.再次额外费用,但您的所有关切予以克服。 I would recommend rennai to anyone as it is a top product and you should get 30 years from it with little trouble.I would ask rinnsi to reccomend to you a quality installer.The basic principles of this system has been around for 25 years in one form or another.我建议将rennai向任何人,因为它是最受欢迎的产品,你应得的30年,从它与小trouble.i会问, rinnsi推荐给你一个优质installer.the的基本原则,这个系统已经为25年,在一这样或那样的形式。 The reason the installer wants to put appliance outside is the ease of venting the carbon monoxide gases.原因安装要付诸表决,设备以外的是易用性宣泄的一氧化碳气体。 This is required on all gas appliances and does not make them unsafe.这是需要对所有气体用具并没有使他们不安全的。 Many quality safety devices are fitted to Rennai products.许多质量安全装置的安装rennai产品。 Good luck祝您好运

  • 2 2 Dan 王丹 // May 25, 2008 at 10:56 am / / 2008年5月25日在上午10时56分

    Hi Jim,喜吉姆,
    Many thanks for your insights.许多感谢您的见解。 Here is where my head is at.这里是我的头是在。

    Yes, there are firms that can supply ‘hot water on tap’ so we don’t loose 30 feet of water with the increased distance between the suggested Rinnai unit vs the curent hot water tank.是的,有一些公司可以供应'热水对塔' ,所以我们不松散, 30英尺的水与上升之间的距离,建议rinnai单位随curent热水箱。 My question is why would I have to bother?我的问题是,为何我会要费心? This is such a change for me that the last thing I need is yet another device to worry about.这是这种改变,我认为,最后一件事是我需要的又一装置的担心。

    Second, then there is the financial impact; another device means as you rightly say more cost to me and the payback is already approaching 5 years which is a long time for such a large $$ investment.第二,其次是金融的影响;另一个设备的手段正如你正确地说,更具成本我和回报已接近五年,这是一项长期的时间,这么大的元元的投资。

    Lastly, the two installation firms were authorized Rinnai resellers and installers.最后,两个安装公司被授权rinnai经销商和安装。

    Once we finish with our outside renovation and ceiling leak repair, we will again tackle the tankless water heater.一旦我们完成我们的外装修和上限泄漏修复,我们会再次解决tankless热水器。 There has to be a type of unit which meets all 4 of our goals as outlined at the beginning of this series of articles, including medium term financial payback.有一个类型的单位,符合所有4我们的目标概述在本月初的一系列文章,包括中期的财务回报。 To me more than 5 years is beyond a medium financial payback.给我5年以上,是超出一个中等的财务回报。

    Dan王丹

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